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Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

Asa Ellerup Called Rex Heuermann Her Hero — Then He Confessed to Eight Murders

Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

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🗓️ 14 May 2026

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Nobody wakes up one morning and realizes they have lost themselves. It happens in increments so small they feel like nothing — an opinion you stop voicing, a friendship you let go, a boundary you move because moving it is easier than defending it. The erosion is invisible until the day you catch your own reflection and do not recognize who is looking back.

This conversation puts two cases side by side that should not have the same outcome but do. Asa Ellerup defended Rex Heuermann for three years after his arrest — called him her hero, said they had the wrong man. Then he pleaded guilty to eight murders. Eric Richins saw everything and documented it. Both stayed.

Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott, drawing on her recent Substack piece in Spotlight on Psychology, sits down with Tony Brueski to explain how both versions of this story emerge from the same underlying mechanism. And she closes with a question aimed directly at the listener who has been making accommodations they barely notice.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brewski and Robin Drey.

0:07.5

How does a person lose themselves so slowly that they don't really notice until they're gone?

0:16.9

Osayah was married to Rex Sherman for 27 years and says she never saw who prosecutors allege he really was.

0:23.7

Eric Richens in the Corey Richens story, she's being sentenced as we speak, saw it completely.

0:29.6

He told his family, his wife, would be responsible if anything ever happened to him and still couldn't leave.

0:34.7

Two people, opposite experiences, same result.

0:37.0

They stay.

0:38.5

The psychology behind that is something every person in a relationship needs to understand because it doesn't start with a

0:43.5

killer. It starts with a small compromise. You barely notice. Shabon Scott, psychotherapist and author

0:48.6

is with us to help break it all down. Shavon explored that exact erosion in her substack spotlight on psychology. And now she's here to

0:56.6

break it down for us. Let's start with the version most people think they'll never fall for the slow kind.

1:03.3

The kind where nothing dramatic happens. No black eyes, no screaming. Just years of small adjustments

1:09.3

until one day you don't recognize yourself anymore.

1:12.5

Let's walk through how that actually works because I think a lot of women and men are living right now in situations like this.

1:21.0

And, you know, they don't necessarily have a name for it.

1:23.5

And they have, more importantly, a lot of excuses for it because they don't want to face the

1:28.5

reality of what might actually be in front of them. Yeah, it definitely happens incrementally,

1:34.7

a little bit at a time. And then there's this kind of splitting where they tell themselves

1:41.7

during the good times, well, this is who this person really is.

1:45.8

And the bad times, I'll hear people say, well, he's just going through job stress right now.

1:50.6

Well, he's been going through that job stress for 25 years, you know.

1:54.9

So let's be realistic.

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