You're listening to, atheistically speaking. Oh, Hello and welcome to atheistically speaking this is episode

2009 I am your host Thomas Smith and I have sort of an unexpected guest on today's

show and that's Eli Bosnick you I'm sure remember Eli from various episodes

That's me yeah, okay. We're not talking about social debt. I'm gonna get this right off my chest, get this make

sure everyone understands what's going on. We're not having you back to talk about the previous

episodes with Cogdiss and all that.

That's still set at a later date.

Here's what happened.

Let me give everyone some backstory.

Eli, buckle in, take a nap or something because I'm going to have to give sort of the backstory on this.

I've been having some interactions.

I'd noticed people lately.

Actually, I need to go further back.

Some months ago I saw somebody misrepresent Hitchin's view on the Iraq war.

And this was actually, I have it in my notes from like three months ago, do something on

Hitchin's and the Iraq war.

Like that, that's my note.

And so I began a very long research process to read everything he said and like

watch a bunch of his debates and I actually even found a book that he wrote that turned out to be actually a collection of essays so it might have been available a different way but I don't know who cares I still bought the book I'm reading it and and all that and then this stuff lately that has come up that some people may be familiar with is PZ Myers has been going off on

Hitchins and his view on Iraq and in my opinion misrepresenting it pretty

severely and the godless spell checker Stephen I don't know his last name

but I think his first name is Stephen or his last name is

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