Ensuring the safety of federal judges falls to the U.S. Marshal Service, an agency within the Justice Department.

But as President Trump increasingly lashes out at the courts, an idea is gaining traction, empowering judges to oversee their own dedicated security force.

Jeremy Fogle joins us now. He's a former federal judge in California and now executive director of the

Berkeley Judicial Institute at the UC Berkeley School of Law. Thanks for being here.

Thank you very much for having me. As we have reported on this program, threats against federal

judges have surged in recent months, including bomb threats, swatting incidents. What kind of strain

is that place on the judiciary and on the judges

themselves? It's an enormous strain. We're very fortunate that there haven't been any recent

actual attacks. I mean, there have been a lot of threats, but they haven't actually been carried out.

There have been situations in the past where judges were attacked or

their families were attacked, but nothing on the order of magnitude that we're

talking about here where there's literally dozens of threats against people. The

rhetoric that's used is unprecedented in my experience. I was a judge for 37 years. I

don't recall ever hearing rhetoric

like we're hearing now. And so it's a very toxic atmosphere, and I think it affects judges,

even if you're not directly one of the people in the crosshairs. You see it happening to your

colleagues. You see it happening at judges in other parts of the country. I get around a lot. I used to run the federalhairs. You see it happening to your colleagues. You see it happening at judges in other parts of the country.

I get around a lot. I used to run the federal judicial center here in D.C. I know hundreds of judges,

and I'm happy about those relationships. People are stressed out. People are really feeling

the pressure of the environment that we're in.

You mentioned the toxic rhetoric. President Trump has stepped up his criticism of judges,

especially those who have ruled against his policies. He's called them radical left.

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