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Thank you. From KQED. From KQED in San Francisco, this is Forum. I'm Mina Kim.

Fewer international students and researchers are coming to the U.S., while American scholars and professionals are choosing other countries to pursue their work.

It's a reversal of a generation-long trend of the U.S. being a magnet for brilliant minds around the globe to study and work.

We look at the impact recent crackdowns on universities, federal funding cuts, and a hostile climate for immigrants are having on the brain drain.

Are you considering leaving the country for school or work? Tell us why. After this news.

Thank you. for school or work. Tell us why after this news. Welcome to Forum. I'm Mina Kim. Even before the government shut down, more than 150,000 federal

workers accepted buyouts with this week being their last.

The massive exodus of civil servants is being called by government experts a damaging loss of institutional expertise,

or a brain drain that will be hard to reverse.

Well, that brain drain extends far beyond the federal workforce, as new data suggests fewer

students and researchers are coming to the U.S. to work or study, while American scholars

and professionals are looking outside the country.

In this hour, we look at how and why it's happening and what the broader impacts could

be.

And listeners, are you considering leaving the U.S. for school or work?

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