Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist,

Joy Waldman. What's up, STS Nation, and welcome to this episode of Surviving the Survivor, the podcast

that promises to bring you the very best guess in all of true crime and I'm trying to get myself awake here for the unusual 4 p.m. hour and being the dope that I am I had this show unlisted or private until about a minute ago.

So right now we've got NC Saildown in our dawn in our chat.

And that's it.

But people are going to be filed in here momentarily. that was my bad

It's been a crazy week someone is asking have I been able to break into the studio.

Yes, I have came to the studio last night.

It was bolt locked shut speaking to some of my

office mates and we all took an FBI battering ram that Rob de Mico gave us and we

broke it now we didn't really do that but we got the

bolt lock unlocked and we are in the studio and ready to go and we are gonna be

talking what else but Karen Reed you're about to meet our new guest new best

guest uncivil law curt muleer and you said he started this in week four and he said

and I quote it's been one hell of a ride sounds like like my life for 54 years and this week has been particularly crazy but we're all here and I guess everyone's going to be ready to yell at each other once again over this current re-trial

But hopefully things remain civil even with uncivil law on the show but But for those of you who are living under Iraq

or on Mars with Elon Musk back on January 29,

2022, Boston Police Officer John O'Keefe is found dead at a home at 34 Fairview Road outside the home in Canton, Massachusetts.

Long story short, a lot of people think Aaron Reed hit

on police officer John O'Keefe and killed him. Others think that it was a

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