Across the political spectrum from the left to the right, Israelis understand that the

U.S.-Israel relationship is vital for Israeli security. And it's a great good for America,

too, with strong majorities in both parties still favoring America's special

relationship with Israel. Most of us want greater coordination in military affairs and intelligence,

greater commerce in agriculture, technology, and a more closely integrated entrepreneurial culture.

And of course, for proud Jews and Christians, the fact that each nation, in its own way,

is inspired by the same

biblical DNA and sees its mission in the world issuing from a fundamentally biblical vision

is a source of profound gratification. So if most everyone in each country wants to strengthen the

ties between us, what is standing in the way? Welcome to the Tikva podcast. I'm your host, Jonathan Silver. In today's

conversation, we step inside a dilemma. If a strengthened U.S.-Israel relationship is a big political

goal that we all share, why isn't that thing we all want to happen happening? What is standing in the way?

Here's one reason. The very research and development talents that make

Israeli technology and ingenuity so attractive to us in the United States also makes it attractive

to other nations, including America's adversaries. In today's conversation, we look at what's

happening between Israel and China, the rising economic power whose global presence has American officials

thinking strategically about how to maintain our own unique position in the world.

If America and China are potentially entering a period of sustained economic rivalry,

how will Israelis weigh the economic logic that makes selling to China so reasonable

against the larger strategic relationship with the Americans and all the

good that produces in both countries. In this conversation, I'm joined by Arthur Herman, senior

fellow at the Hudson Institute in Washington, D.C., and the author of The Impasse Substructing

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