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Oh God, What Now?

Art of the Steal – Could Trump run for a third term?

Oh God, What Now?

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Politics, Government, News, Society & Culture

4.62.5K Ratings

🗓️ 12 August 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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The Constitution expressly forbids anyone from seeking a third term as US President. But since when did that ever stop Trump from doing anything? Ex-congressional staffer turned politics professor at George Washington University Casey Burgat joins Guardian leader writer Rafael Behr and Andrew Harrison to look at the many weird ways Trump could cling to the White House… the hidden rivalries within MAGA… and what happens to a personality cult when (if) the personality vacates the scene.   • Don’t miss Talk ’90s To Me: Nirvana with Miranda Sawyer.  • Buy Casey’s book We Hold These “Truths” through our affiliate bookshop and you’ll help fund OGWN by earning us a small commission for every sale. Bookshop.org’s fees help support independent bookshops too.    ESCAPE ROUTES  • Raf went to see Erasure at Brighton Pride.  • Casey went to see The Lumineers  live.  • Andrew recommends Fantastic Four: First Steps and the first couple of songs from Saint Etienne’s final album International. • Advertisers! Want to reach smart, engaged, influential people with money to spend? (Yes, they do exist). Some 3.5 MILLION people download and watch our podcasts every month – and they love our shows. Why not get YOUR brand in front of our influential listeners with podcast advertising? Contact [email protected] to find out more  • Get our exclusive NordVPN deal here. It’s risk-free with Nord’s 30-day money back guarantee!     www.patreon.com/ohgodwhatnow    Presented by Andrew Harrison with Rafael Behr. Audio and video production by Chris Jones. Music by Cornershop. Art direction: James Parrett. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. OH GOD, WHAT NOW? is a Podmasters production.    www.podmasters.co.uk   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Okay. Hello and welcome back to Oh God What Now, I'm Andrew Harrison.

0:48.8

This edition has been specially edited to take out all potentially offensive comments.

0:51.3

So thanks for listening and we'll see you this time next week.

1:10.9

We've got great reaction from the new vibe on the show, deep dives at the start of the week, old school topical show on Friday. Lots of people said very kind things about last week's ultimate AI explainer with Alex Fern from The Economist and there's more like that coming. So if you like what we're doing, remember we can't do it without you. The support of people like you on Patreon is essential. So if you haven't done so already, please do hit the link in the show notes to help out. On today's

1:15.3

edition, we're not even a quarter of the way into Donald Trump's second term as president,

1:19.6

but could he change the constitution, break with all convention, and somehow run for a third term?

1:25.1

In typical pot-boiling style, Trump has been teasing supporters and

1:28.8

trolling his opponents with a will-he-won-you routine over recent months. In May, he said he

1:33.8

wouldn't try for a third term. In June, he hinted that he would. And this week's statement that he

1:38.9

would like to, but probably won't, doesn't clear up much. Meanwhile, the Trump online store is selling Trump

1:45.0

2028 merchandise, and at that time, the president himself will be 82 years old. Could it happen?

1:51.2

How could it happen? We'll be talking over this alarming prospect with Casey Burgett, ex-congressional

1:57.1

staffer turned politics professor at George Washington University and host of

2:01.7

Mastering the Room, the podcast. Hello, Casey. Nice to meet. How you doing? I'm all right. How

2:06.8

you doing? Okay, not bad. I want to ask you, what did you make of Trump's little excursion on the

2:11.0

White House roof this week? I mean, do something ridiculous and newsworthy to distract. It's very much

2:16.2

an established bit of the playbook, isn't it? It definitely is, but me personally seeing, there are things that you choose to pay

2:22.8

attention to and there's things that you don't, right? You can't fight everything because then

2:26.7

you end up fighting nothing. And this is one I'm not waiting into. I mean, presidents have long

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