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Hello and welcome to the TIFO football podcast. I'm Joe Devine. And today I'm delighted to be joined by JJ Ball.

Sounds like you're talking really fast, Joe. I am because guess what? There's people from a more important podcast waiting outside for us to finish recording the intro. You know, we do that at the end, by the way. It's a sort of time shift thing.

So it's useful that I've already sort of deliberately derailed this bit to add on more time.

Yeah, John McKenzie.

It would be really bad, I think, if we did drag this bit out.

I think Steve's going spare.

Yeah, because I can, through the window, I can see the people waiting and I can see how important they are. And there's something about that that makes me want to slow down a little bit.

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