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Arresting for MV Offenses / State v Irelan vs. State v Eckel

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🗓️ 12 September 2021

⏱️ 29 minutes

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In this archive episode, Dennis packs in knowledge about arresting for motor vehicle offenses and State v Irelan vs State v Eckel and their differences. Recorded on 11/07/2017. State V. Pierce (1994) May a police officer arrest any person who violates, in the officer's presence, any provision of Chapter 3 or 4 of title 39? No, although 39:5-25 imposes no limits on an officer’s authority to arrest for traffic offenses, the statute not be read literally. There are “Other sources of law” that suggest that an officer’s authority to arrest under 39:5-25 is, and should be, restricted to those offenses in which, “AN ARREST IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY OR TO ASSURE THAT THE OFFENDER WILL RESPOND TO A SUMMONS!” (SOMEONE WITH NO IDENTIFCATION and YOU CAN’T FIGURE OUT WHO THEY ARE!) Court Rules 3:4-1; 3:3-1(c); 7:2-3(b) which set forth guidelines for officers who have made warrantless arrests in determining whether to apply to the court for a summons or an arrest warrant. State V. Lark (2000) The court said, “Where the driver is without a license and persists concealing his identity an officer may then either continue to detain the driver for further investigation or arrest the driver under 39:3-10 (Unlicensed Driver) or 39: 3-29(Failure to provide Documents).” In instances such as this, when a driver is without a license and offers false information in response to a reasonable police inquiry, there exists a sufficient basis for the police officer to detain the driver for further questioning until the officer learns the true identity of the driver Assuming that the driver persists in concealing his or her identity and there appears to be no other reasonable alternative, the police officer may take the driver into custody. State v Eckel 2006 There is no such thing as a search of a vehicle incident to arrest without probable cause associated with the vehicle itself. STATE v. ECKEL | FindLaw Also see Arizona V. Gant (2009) which replaced NY v. Belton (Belton Bright Line Rule). State v Irelan 2005 This case ruled officers have the right to search a motor vehicle for open containers after an arrest for DWI. (1) the police may lawfully affect a custodial arrest of a motorist when there is probable cause of a DWI violation; (2) incident to the arrest, the police may search the person of the arrestee; and (3) a contemporaneous warrantless search of the vehicle is permissible We hold that these facts are sufficient to support a reasonable well-grounded suspicion that alcohol was consumed in the vehicle, and thus the vehicle contained open containers of alcohol. Therefore, the probable cause prong of the automobile exception is met. This will be allowed for CDS-related DWI’s as well.

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0:00.0

1st

0:07.6

1,000, can be on the way.

0:08.6

You trying to be a street cop?

0:11.6

Everybody can I talk about a few things that I didn't get a chance to talk to about

0:14.0

you with you guys yesterday and one of the questions that I had from somebody came into

0:18.0

the group was they wanted to which I didn't get too sorry they want to

0:21.9

arresting for title 39 offenses which in New Jersey it's

0:24.2

MV offenses and what's interesting is this translated well into a discussion we had at the

0:30.1

out of state class at South Dakota where a lot of guys didn't know you could make an arrest

0:33.2

for an envy offense when somebody was subject to a summons and you couldn't figure out who they were,

0:38.0

or you felt like they were hindering their apprehension, there was a charge you could use.

0:41.3

And a lot of guys in half the class did

0:43.3

another half didn't so we were able to achieve that for the out-of-state guys

0:46.7

through discussion in class so I'm going to talk about this today and I'm going

0:50.4

to explain to the circumstances and I've done videos about this in the past but I know a lot of people who are new to this group have never heard this before and I want to give a refresher and hopefully you guys will be able to go out. What I'm telling you is when you hear this and I explain it, don't get confused on it it make sure if you like what you hear which you should because it's a huge tool and it's one that I always start my classes off with because it's so important and I can't understand how people are not using it in New Jersey.

1:12.0

I would like you to take this video and show it to your bosses or

1:14.7

translate it well back to them in a diplomatic fashion and not in a hey we're an

1:18.7

idiots why aren't we doing this? It's hey we can do this why aren't we doing this okay so I'm

1:24.4

I'm sorry 20 to 1994 that would make it 23 years old may a police officer

1:31.2

and the question is so here's this case

1:32.8

this case called State versus Pierce. It's a really benchmark case in New

1:36.7

Jersey history and you're if you're watching this in your out of state which a lot

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