And so he put him right through this guy and that's how you're going to cop a big beef

in the joint after coming in with a little one.

You're not going to get it for fist fighting somebody.

You're going to get it for some serious violence and it's got to be right in front of

God and everyone.

So it's a slam dunk when it comes to the court.

My theory is that these gangs are, there's no such thing as a gang.

They're different guys and there's that guy at this particular moment.

And the fact of the matter is that we're all people and we all bleed and maybe he really

doesn't want to get into a hardcore knife fight over some bullshit that really doesn't

matter.

A lot of, a lot of gangster time is spent just sitting around waiting for things to happen.

Now if you think about the mob guys, if you any mob movie that were real mob guys have

been involved, they have long scenes where they're sitting around playing cards and they're

not really playing cards from money, they're just sort of passing time.

The guys who are really dangerous, if you want to see what is really dangerous are the

guys that, how to put it, they don't give a, they just don't care.

So I'm here with John Abbott, one of our most viral podcast guests.

If you've not seen the series of interviews we've done with him, absolutely mind blowing.

John actually was in multiple shootouts, lost his brother in the first shootout that was

in America, then on the border with the Canadians, lost his crime partner, almost lost his

own life.

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