Welcome to Karen Hunter is awesome.

I'm Karen Hunter, and in this space I'm going to be this year doing a lot of reading

and therefore talking about books and authors and talking with authors. And I was talking with

one of my producers about, you know, this prospect of going online and reading two people and having

discussions around books and she was telling me about this book that she's reading. And I thought

it was very interesting. So I invited her on. Let me welcome back to Karen Hunter is awesome. Tramel, hello to you. Hey, Karen. So you would tell me about this book? Yes, the fourth wing. And I'm not exactly sure how to describe it. It is a fantasy novel. I think Game of Thrones. I think that's the, or House of Dragons. Yeah, House of Dragons.

And a lot of fighting, a lot of war with a trace of romance, a theme of romance running through it.

So it says, Fourth Wing is an adult fantasy romance novel, feels like a lot, by American author Rebecca Yaros.

It is the first book in a series, an Empirian series following the journey

of this girl Violet, who was forced by her mother to join the war college and become a dragon

writer in the kingdom of Navarre. So what made you want to pick up this book? I'm always scrolling. Like I will go through

like it's hard to find a really good book. And I always am looking for a page turn. Unfortunately,

that's not the case most of the time. And so this was just up there and it had like maybe

18,000 reviews. And I'm like, okay, well, yeah. A lot of people read it. Let me check

it out. And so it's a decent read. I've been reading it forever because it's so long. I've read

books while I'm reading this one and finish the others. But those kind of fantasy books tend to be

super long. Okay. So George R.R. Martin, this lady said, hold my beard. Okay, so it's 512 pages.

Okay. So you're almost done. And we were having a discussion about it because you said to me,

this young lady, Violet, before she became a dragon rider, she was on her way to becoming a scribe.

Right. So she had been training her entire life to be a scribe. And, you know, they're very

important in this world as well, because her father was a scribe. So you either choose what either parent does,

whatever you may kind of have an affinity before. So her mother is a fighter, a rider, a dragon rider,

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