We talk a lot about resilience right now, but where does it come from? Is resilience genetic? Or do we somehow develop it through experience? Well, for me, it's a bit of both. And resilience is vital because it's what the sinews are to muscle and bone, connecting our inner experience with our outer reality,

keeping us standing. And we often think about resilience in relation to life's most volcanic

events, but it's also about the day-to-day minutiae of adversity. And in recent years, boy,

we've been tested in ways that seemed unimaginable before.

During the pandemic, we experienced loss and fear and uncertainty on a huge scale.

Life is still far from plain sailing.

We're living in a world that's changing all the time.

But what fascinates me is that in so many ways, every day, small ways, were all kept going, tapping into reserves of resilience we never knew we had. And it's key to living hopefully, because however much

you're bent by winds that threaten to break you, resilience keeps you uncowled by what's happening

around or to you. You have the capacity to bounce back. My guest today has certainly proven this.

Beauty entrepreneur Trinny Woodall went into rehab for cocaine addiction when she was just 21,

before living in a halfway house. She went on to face huge fertility problems, bereavement and

financial challenges, including a business

that failed. Mixed into all that was a career with amazing highs and lows. After working briefly as a

commodities trader and hating it, Trinney then went into PR and marketing before landing a fashion

column for the Daily Telegraph.

And in 1999, she launched an e-commerce fashion site that attracted huge investment before folding. Then, in the early noughties, she forged a new career as a TV presenter in the iconic

makeover show What Not to Wear and became loved by millions.

But in 2017 at the age of 53, Trinney started the business that's revolutionising how we do beauty.

Seeing that older women were often being ignored by beauty brands, she started her own.

Trinney London began, yes, literally at the kitchen

table. Five years later, it sold internationally and more than 100,000 women and members of

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