Hello there and welcome to the Thinky Fellows podcast.

My name is Caleb and today I'm joined by Scott Keith and Donovan Riley.

Again, this is one of those new distance podcasts we're doing.

So people may recognize Donovan.

He's been on the show, I don't know, three or four times, but, you know, if you pay close attention, you'd notice that the times Donovan has been on the show, we have all been together at a conference. Generally, here we still stand. He was in the garage once. He was in the garage ones. Yeah, I was in the garage ones, too. That's right. Donovan I recorded a podcast at Valpo one time. That's right. We did in a conference room. On location.

Right.

And so, but we're doing these new distance things.

And so Donovan can now remote call into the show.

He's one of those people at 1517 who has a podcast on our network.

You should check it out.

It's called Band Books.

We've promoted it on Thinking Fellows before. On that show, they basically read through books that you shouldn't read through.

That's right.

And then they discuss the ideas therein.

It's the fastest growing show on the network right now for listeners.

And I highly suggest if you're not listening to that show right now and you have more time on your hands because of...

Who would have more time on their hands right now?

Everybody's so busy.

That you check that out.

For people who are new to the show, Donovan, could you give yourself a quick introduction?

Sure.

Let's see.

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