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The Good Fight

Are We Too Divided to Be Patriotic?

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 4 September 2021

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Samuel Goldman, associate professor of political science at the George Washington University, is an intellectual historian and political commentator. In his new book, After Nationalism: Being American in an Age of Division, he criticizes traditional notions of patriotism while trying to lay out how members of modern nations can preserve some form of pride of country. In this week’s conversation, Samuel Goldman and Yascha Mounk talk about different notions of patriotism and debate whether strong participation in local institutions is the key to restoring a healthier political climate. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: podcast@persuasion.community  Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John T. Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

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play. Not that artist!

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0:08.0

You look down at the red can in your hand, or is it?

0:11.4

No, it's a Pepsi Max.

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You props prefer it too. Go on, try it.

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Pepsi Max. Lastly for more.

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UK Blind Taste Test with over 54,000 people versus UK's biggest selling full sugarcola.

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code at UK slash FAQ.

0:30.6

Whereas conventional appeals to patriotism or nationalism have this top-down quality that I think

0:39.2

makes them thin and unsatisfactory, I'm much more interested in finding ways that we can pursue and realize

0:49.3

disagreement as a serious and legitimate feature of American life,

0:53.4

rather than dismissing it in pursuit of some evanescent similarity.

0:58.4

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. For those of us who care about democracy and human rights, the last weeks have been

1:11.0

really bitter. The Taliban's victory in Kabul and the whole of Afghanistan,

1:16.0

that's just the hopes of millions of Afghans,

1:21.0

of girls who were able to go to school and learn reading and writing and aspire to a better life,

1:28.0

of women who were able to work and have some forms of rights and freedoms of secularists and liberals who do not want to live under a

1:41.0

phiocratic regime. It will also have destabilizing effects well beyond

1:47.2

for borders of Afghanistan, posing a challenge to neighboring countries like India and

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