So how do we introduce this? Do we say basically, you know, the latest in an

occasional series on Trump indictments? Indictments, 2.0.

From New York Times opinion, I'm Carlos Rosanna. I'm Michelle Cattle and I'm

Ross Douthand. And this is matter of opinion.

As you can tell, Lydia is not with us this week. She is off reporting in chat. And we

are appearing a little earlier than usual this week because as you may have heard,

Donald Trump has been indicted again. And we, your dedicated podcast hosts, read all 49 pages

of federal indictment. After getting through it, I felt like I actually did get some new insight

into how Trump operates and what makes them tick. We'll get to our takeaways in a second.

But first, who wants to give us a rundown of what's actually in the indictment?

Oh, please. That would be Michelle. Please allow me to do this.

Michelle, step into the breach. So for those keeping score at home, again,

this is the second criminal indictment. In March, Trump was indicted in New York for allegedly

falsifying business records. That was on state charges. This time, it's federal. It is for

allegedly holding on to lots of classified documents after he left the White House.

So we're talking about documents that contain military secrets, intel secrets,

new clear secrets, both regarding the US and other nations. It's not just that he held on to these.

It's that he allegedly actively conspired to hide them once the Justice Department stepped in with

its very polite subpoena, suggesting that it might be best if he handed these over. So, you know,

as the prosecution lays out, he was going through boxes conspiring with an aid lying to his own

lawyers, and at one point, even suggesting that his lawyers remove evidence that might be

extremely unfortunate if it was found. So, as shocking and unbelievable it is as it is, it's also

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