Are UFOs Proof of Aliens—or Proof We’ve Replaced God?

Wretched Radio with Todd Friel

Fortis Institute

Religion, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9 • 3.1K Ratings

🗓️ 30 October 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Astrophysicist Dr. Jason Lisle joins to unpack today’s biggest scientific obsessions—from UFOs and aliens to climate change and human “upgrades.” He explains why these pursuits reveal less about discovery and progress—and far more about our refusal to trust the Creator who already rules it all.

Segment 1: The Truth Behind UFOs

• What NASA and the military call “unidentified” is usually just misidentified.

• The shocking connection between cruise ships, party balloons, and UFO sightings.

• Why we love the idea of aliens—and what that craving reveals about our hearts.

Segment 2: Why the World Wants Aliens

• Secular culture’s obsession with ETs is really a longing to replace the Creator.

• How evolution drives the search for life in space—and fuels disbelief in Genesis.

• The deeper question: are we looking for life out there because we’ve rejected the Life-Giver here?

Segment 3: The Climate Panic vs. God’s Providence

• Global warming” became “climate change” when the data stopped cooperating.

• Scripture and science both show the Earth’s climate has always fluctuated.

• God promised the seasons will endure—so why the panic?

Segment 4: When Science Tries to Replace God

• The danger of trying to “improve” humanity instead of restore what sin broke.

• Why curing disease honors the Creator—but trying to become Him doesn’t.

• From Babel to biotech, every age repeats the same lie: “You can be like God.”

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0:00.0	Important dates in Christian history.
0:08.5	1854. Charles Haddon Spurgeon becomes pastor in London, and will go on to become one of the most influential pastors ever.
0:17.0	He was the central figure in defending the gospel against compromise during the downgrade controversy.
0:23.3	This is Wretched Radio with Todd Freel.
0:26.4	Welcome and welcome in.
0:27.7	This is not Todd Freel.
0:28.9	This is Jimmy Hicks in the studio for Todd Freel, who is actually talking with Dr. Jason Lyle today, one of our Fortis Institute fellows.
0:36.6	And they've got a lot on the docket today that they are discussing and talking about, and they're going to kick it off with something that I know we're all interested in if aliens are real.
0:46.2	Have you seen one? Have you seen a UFO flying around? If not, go to the YouTube machine. They're all over the place. They seem to be all the rage. And is it true? The government is actually affirming. There are unidentified flying objects, which I would actually affirm. There are unidentified flying objects. Dr. Jason Lyle, our Ford is fellow, joining us in studio. Do you have a problem with
1:14.7	unidentified flying objects? Uh, no. I mean, because they're unidentified. Yeah,
1:19.5	identified, right. Yeah. So quit ascribing that there's something from outer space and you got
1:25.2	kazoo piloting some sort of flying machine.
1:29.0	All right. This is also one of your areas of expertise besides being an astrophysicist.
1:35.5	And I don't want to like share your discovery because I have no idea. What did you discover or what did you?
1:43.3	There was something about stars and things. What did you discover or what did you, there was something about stars and
1:45.5	things. Well, you discovered something that is attributed to you. I've discovered a few things. I've
1:50.9	discovered a few things. One thing I discovered in my doctoral research was giant cell boundaries.
1:57.1	Oh. Those are large overturning cells on the sun that were predicted to exist theoretically,
2:03.8	but I was actually able to detect them using the Soho spacecraft and using some computer
2:08.3	programs that I wrote.
2:09.2	I was able to detect the boundaries of these giant cells.
2:12.3	See, that's why you and I get along so well, because of our shared interest in things like this that you're talking
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