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Coffee House Shots

Are Tory sinosceptics the real opposition?

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

News, Politics, Government, Daily News

4.42.1K Ratings

🗓️ 19 January 2021

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Today the Commons debates the 'genocide amendment' to the Trade Bill, which would allow judges to restrict the government's ability to sign trade deals with countries deemed guilty of genocide. It's a clear swipe at China and its treatment of the Uyghur minority, and on the podcast, Katy Balls discusses with James Forsyth and Isabel Hardman what this means for the Conservative party's new stance on China.

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0:24.7

Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots is Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Katie Balls

0:30.0

and I'm joined by Isva Hardman and James Forsyth. Today we have a growing internal Tory row in

0:36.3

the Commons, one that the opposition are all too happy to get

0:40.3

involved in and it relates to what has come to be known as the genocide amendment. James, can you

0:45.0

talk to us about what this is and how it relates to the trade bill, which is coming before the

0:49.3

House. It is an amendment that started off in the House of Lords and it essentially would

0:54.0

mean that if a high court in London decided that a country was guilty of genocide, then any trade agreement with it would fall.

1:03.0

And there is another amendment down today which would suggest slightly changing with it so that the Commons would vote on whether it should fall or not.

1:10.0

Now, the government is

1:11.8

resisting this amendment and it makes kind of two arguments. One is, is it the right place for

1:19.3

the courts to make that decision? Surely if there was an evidence of genocide going on,

1:24.0

Parliament itself should wish to act to bring to an end any trade agreement with

1:28.4

that country. And then its second's kind of slightly more pragmatic argument is, look, this is

1:34.3

clearly aimed at China and its treatment of the Uigham Muslims, and there is no prospect of any

1:38.5

trade deal with China. I think that what worries the government is that you get into a slippery slope and that you get court cases

1:46.0

brought alleging that X, Y, Z countries engaged in human rights abuses, that then turns into

1:52.7

a case about whether it's genocide or not. I think what the, but I think the significance of this

1:56.4

is what it shows is there's been a dramatic change in UK approach to China. It's remarkable to think that only a year ago,

2:03.3

the government was defending the idea of having Huawei

2:05.4

accompanying very close things to a Chinese military

2:07.5

play a crucial role in the building of a UK's 5G network.

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