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it a fellow YouTuber. I'm still uncomfortable with the title, but maybe you're more comfortable

with it. He's the author of The Echo Machine, how right-wing extremism created a post-truth

America. It's David Packman. What's up, man? Good to be here with you.

You, I want to get to the book, but first, you had a provocative video, maybe yesterday,

titled, I've been warned, do not leave the country. And I just, I want to be up front. I was like,

when I first saw it come across my feed, I was like,

okay, you know, like, let's not scare people unnecessarily. Like, I don't want to overdo it.

I do plan to leave the country soon. And so I was like, we could do a funny video when it's like

Miller. I do plan to leave the country for vacation. Like, you know, not really, not permanently.

But as I watched it,

I realized your situation is different from mine in a very meaningful way. And so I wanted to talk

it through with you because I think that this is something that people are really kind of trying

to process and do threat assessment on. And so I just figured we'd, you know, work it out. So for

people who've not seen the video, you know, work it out. So for people who've not seen

the video, you know, give a little summary of why your situation might be a little unique.

Well, I was not born in the U.S. So I'm a naturalized U.S. citizen. I've had citizenship

20 something years. But this is a new world in which naturalized citizens have now been stopped and harassed or

intimidated at the border, been asked and told to turn over devices. There was a story of a

lawyer coming over. I think it was in Vermont from Canada back to the United States. A crossing

I've done 30 times growing up, going to Montreal to States. A crossing I've done, you know, 30 times growing up,

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