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Are Science and Religion Mutually Exclusive? With Spencer Klavan

Tablet Studios

Tablet Magazine

Religion & Spirituality, Judaism, Society & Culture

4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 30 January 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Not long ago, a prominent Silicon Valley technologist told anyone who would listen that he believed he would never die because Artificial Intelligence was basically a God-like machine that could override all human frailties, including aging. This idea, says author and classicist Spencer Klavan, isn’t new: the history of science is in large part the story of trying to take the Creator out of the picture, only to come back again to the same stirrings described so eloquently in the first chapter of Genesis. Klavan, the author of the new book Light of the Mind, Light of the World: How New Science is Illuminating Ancient Truths About God, talks to Liel about the future of AI, the arrogance of the new atheists, and the hopeful future that groundbreaking discoveries are ushering in by bridging the gap between faith and science.

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Thank you for listening, and now on to your show. Hey there, I'm Leah Libowitz. Welcome to Roodless. I want to start today in media

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stress right in the middle of the action. We have a choice to face, writes an author you will soon

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hear from. It is a choice between two visions of an author you will soon hear from.

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It is a choice between two visions of the world.

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The first is well established and even canonical, a kind of dogma.

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Gradually, what began as a convenient fiction has become a hidebound absolutism for the messianic prophets of our dangerous age.

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The world is an object to be dominated in humanity,

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a primitive stain to be wiped from the face of a perfectly mechanized universe. But cutting-edge science and inherited wisdom alike are revealing a totally different picture,

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a picture of a world that cannot be what it is without us that is endowed with all its meaning

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and structure by our presence in a world spoken into being by the eternal word and made

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complete by the words of his creatures who bear his image on earth. That story ancient but

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forever new now stands as the indispensable, the desperately

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