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🗓️ 19 November 2025
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Today, John Healey joins the podcast after a Russian ship suspected of mapping undersea cables pointed lasers at RAF pilots tracking its activity near UK waters. The Defence Secretary gave a speech at Downing Street that morning describing the move as “deeply dangerous.” It comes on the same day that a report from MPs says that the UK lacks a plan to defend itself from a military attack.
Adam and Chris speak to John Healey about the escalating threat to the UK, lifting the lid on what conflict looks like in a world of undersea drones and cables, and what is being done to shore up UK military defences in what Healey calls a “new era of threat.”
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| 0:05.7 | Hello on Newscast, we've got very used to hearing members of the Newscast family speaking to us from odd places, like a bus on the way to the Prime Minister's plane or a train with a Prime Minister on it. |
| 0:16.1 | Today we're going to hear from the back of his ministerial car from John Healy, the Defence Secretary, |
| 0:21.5 | who's going to update us on that situation he revealed earlier on Wednesday with a Russian spy ship |
| 0:27.5 | on the edge of British waters and the fact that he is getting ready for a military response to that |
| 0:34.1 | if needed. So we'll get a lot more detail on that from the Defence Secretary |
| 0:37.8 | on this episode of Newscast. Newscast from the BBC. |
| 0:42.8 | Fat boy sliver me in the classroom doing our violin lessons. I was the tattletail in the class. |
| 0:47.0 | Can I have an apology, please? I trust almost nobody. |
| 0:50.0 | That daddy has to sometimes do strong language. Next time in Moscow. |
| 1:10.8 | I feel delulu with no salulu. Take me down to Downing Street. Let's go have a tour. Blimey. Hello, it's Adam in the newscast studio. And it is Chris at Westminster. And first of all, we are going to focus on defence because John Healy, the Defence Secretary, did a speech in Downing Street this morning, |
| 1:15.8 | which we all thought was going to be him unveiling sort of the next stage of the government's investment in the defence industrial base, specifically the sites where these new munitions factories |
| 1:23.6 | are going to be built. Because, Chris, one of the government's pledges is to have a couple of |
| 1:27.0 | munitions factories, so building bombs and bullets up and running by the time of the next election. |
| 1:32.5 | But it ended up being much sort of more newsworthy than that, because he lifted the lid on the actual |
| 1:37.8 | real-time defence picture in the UK right now. Exactly. So this sits, so there was John Healy, |
| 1:43.3 | 10 o'clock on Wednesday morning, in the number nine Downing Street press conference room, the one we often see the prime minister in, the one that we saw Rachel Reeves, the chancellor in a couple of weeks ago. In other words, it looked like, and it was part of the government's kind of rollout of announcements and arguments ahead of the budget in a week's time. |
| 2:04.4 | And about 80, 85%, maybe even 90% of the words uttered by John Healy in that news conference opening speech were absolutely about that. |
| 2:13.6 | And plenty of, you know, party political stuff. |
| 2:16.2 | And he pointedly was naming loads of other |
| 2:19.0 | parties, conservatives, liberal Democrats, reform, Scottish National Party to try and make as he, |
| 2:24.1 | as you'd expect him to, a kind of pro-labor argument. But right at the top, in just the first |
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