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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Are Public Schools the Supreme Court's Next Target?

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate

News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.6 • 2.3K Ratings

🗓️ 28 April 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

The Supreme Court is hearing two cases this month regarding religion in public schools that seem to contradict each other—a public school in Maryland where parents claim books with LGBTQ characters or themes are indoctrination, and a Catholic charter school in Oklahoma arguing it has the right to state funding. Can the court’s religion-friendly majority give them both what they want without falling afoul of the First Amendment? Guest: Mark Joseph Stern, senior writer for Slate. Want more What Next? Join Slate Plus to unlock full, ad-free access to What Next and all your  other favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the What Next show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, Ethan Oberman, Isabel Angell, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't usually call Slate's Supreme Court reporter, Mark Joseph Stern, and to ask him to tell me the plot of a children's book.

0:44.6

But there's a first time for everything, right?

0:50.7

The book I wanted Mark to tell me about is called Uncle Bobby's Wedding.

0:56.3

Okay, Uncle Bobby's Wedding is about a little girl, Chloe, who has a favorite uncle, Bobby,

1:01.5

who is getting married to his longtime boyfriend, Jamie.

1:05.7

Chloe is initially distraught that Uncle Bobby is getting married, not because he's getting married to a man,

1:15.9

but because she is worried that he won't have as much free time to spend with her.

1:23.6

So far, so fine.

1:26.3

Except last week, this book wound up in the hands of Supreme Court Justice,

1:31.1

Sam Alito.

1:34.8

Do you think it's fair to say that all that is done in Uncle Bobby's wedding is to expose children

1:41.1

to the fact that there are men who marry other men.

1:45.3

Justice Alito was picking apart the plot of this storybook, an open court last week,

1:52.8

because the justices are being asked to decide if Uncle Bobby's wedding, and books like it,

1:58.4

should be freely available in public schools. The case is known as Mahmoud

2:02.7

v. Taylor. Justice Alito hated this book, one star on Goodreads. He would have given it zero if he could.

2:09.9

He claimed that the book has a moral message, which is that children who have reservations about same-sex marriage and homosexuality

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