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Hello, friends. Greg Kogel here, a show of standard reason, and I'm glad you're a part of it. As I always say, it's great having you on board.

And I enjoy so much when people, and let me know how beneficial the show has been to them. Radio is a strange medium because you're here in a booth and you're just kind of talking to yourself or so it seems. Now, of course, they have some people on board here.

And I know that you're out there listening, but it isn't the same as talking to an audience where you can see their reactions and and adjust to their reactions and and.

Anyway, it's just very different. So both have a certain level of satisfaction and both have a certain impact, but it is nice when I hear that people say I've been listening to you for a long time and thank you. So I thank you for that.

What I really enjoy hearing, though, is when people tell me that they have been listening for a long time and they started listening before there were Christians.

And now they're believers. Now, obviously, when I hear this from them, I haven't led them to the Lord, but I was instrumental, according to what they told me.

And then becoming Christians and some of you know, this is true about J. Warner Wallace. This is true about Abdul Murray, who we've had here on this program. The Muslim became a Christian. This is true about John Noises on our team.

You know, now these were all people that were in my garden, so to speak, before they became followers of Jesus. And none of them did I have anything to do with leading to Christ, that is the harvest.

And I don't even know how the harvest happened in their case. I do know that John Noise was never harvested, strictly speaking.

He had no recollection of becoming a Christian. He just knew that he was one, which is a very important part of what I write in street smarts.

And I've talked about this before. I guess it bears repeating because repetition is the mother of learning. And the more you repeat, the more people remember that concept of Francis Schaeffer has written a number of books, but his basic concepts, his basic approach to understanding Christianity and defending Christianity is repeated in almost all of his books.

And in his understanding culture, it just over and over and over and over again. And it really sticks. And so I feel the same way about this. My emphasis in my life is not. And my interest is not in evangelism.

And that is, I should say, is not in leading people to Christ. Evangelism isn't even the emphasis of my life. People sometimes introduce me as a guy who has a great heart for evangelism. I would never characterize myself that way or a great heart for the lost.

My heart is for followers of Christ to disciple them. And so I think about reality and the team players that are there. I feel a responsibility for those people on my team and those visiting talent that we work with.

What I am drawn to is helping them do their job better, helping them be more effective at what they're doing. And this has always been in my life, partly because this is the way my life with Christ began under the tutorship of the tutoring, I should say, of Craig Engler, who was my first disciple. And really in many ways, my most significant disciple because of the two to three year.

Relationship, intense relationship that we were, we were together. And he influenced my life and really laid a foundation. Ever since then, it's just been my, in my DNA to, to, to want to encourage others and have discipleship groups.

We had groups that virtually everybody on my team. Now, well, actually, the team has rolled over a bit, but Amy and, and Steven, Steven Wagner, who's no longer with us.

We've got his own enterprise and Alan Schleeman and I'm just trying to think they were all part of discipleship groups I had in my home 20 years ago.

And now I don't do groups quite like that anymore because my schedule's different, but I still am reaching out to people to help them pass the baton to them in some way, especially people that are in my broader discipline. That's where my focus is in helping them be more effective in apologetics ambassadors, professional speakers, bloggers, YouTubers, writers, et cetera.

And that's where my heartbeat is. It's not in, it's not in winning the world for Christ. But I am still a follower of Jesus. And the Great Commission is too disciple. But of course, you can't disciple when there aren't Christians. So evangelism is a necessary prerequisite to that.

And, and so what I offer to people a lot is this means by which you can evangelize more effectively because it's a means that has helped me to be more effective as an evangelist. But when I say evangelist, I really mean ambassador because I'm not thinking about closing the deal, having alter calls, inviting people to pray to receive Christ.

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