Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a special series of discussions about US politics and the Trump presidency, or as we journalists call it, the gift that keeps on giving.

I'm Freddie Gray. I'm deputy editor of The Spectator. I'm joined today by Dominic Green, who is Spectator USA's culture editor and a much enjoyed and appreciated

contributor to the USA website. And we're going to be talking about the curious nature of British

never-Trumpism. Dominic, I read a piece about this this week and I thought I'd like to talk to you

about it because it seems to me that Britain has been anti-Trump, almost sort of anti-Trump as a political candidate, almost before America was.

I mean, there was, in January 2016, long before he was confirmed as the party's nominee, we had a parliamentary debate about whether to ban him.

And there's something about Trump that touches a particular nerve with the British.

And I wonder if you would have any ideas what that might be.

Well, Freddie, I think there are a couple of things here.

One is that he appeals to fundamentally different kind of conservatism to British conservatism.

The other is that a person like him, whether they're political or in public life or somebody meet on the street,

tends to rub up a certain kind of Brit the wrong way, in that he is a rude man in both senses of the

word, in that he is without refinement, and seems to enjoy poking people who think of

themselves as refined, of poking them in the eye in order to get a good reaction. And that,

of course, is what he has elicited simply by existing for decades, long before he made a run at the White House.

There was a sort of snobbery against him as a kind of coarse New Yorker before he was even known as a political figure then, in this country.

I would say so. And let's face it, if you're going to have snobbery, then being snobbish about people like Donald Trump is, you know, not a bad idea.

He does not seem to be that nicer person, and as I said, seems to enjoy generally lowering the tone.

None of these things are illegal, of course, and they're not necessarily damaging to politics or democratic systems.

When, of course, they exist in private life.

The shock, of course, partly, I think, in America as well as in Europe,

is that this unqualified Yahoo has intruded into the very managerial professionalised stratum of political management.

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