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On Point | Podcast

Are index funds getting too powerful?

On Point | Podcast

WBUR

Talk Show, Daily News, News, Npr, On Point, Daily

4.23.5K Ratings

🗓️ 7 August 2023

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Index funds. They’re a very popular way of investing across the stock market. But now the top four funds control roughly one-quarter of all public U.S. companies. We hear how index funds are shaping corporations and the American economy.

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0:06.2

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0:11.1

The Mutual Fund industry has been built in a sense on witchcraft. That quip is from

0:25.0

John Bogle's 1999 book Common Sense on Mutual Funds. Bogle had a way with words just as he had

0:32.9

a way of seeing the financial industry. He chafed at the idea that active managers of

0:38.3

traditional mutual funds possessed an alchemical power to beat the market. Instead, Bogle believed

0:44.7

that the only power fund managers actually had was to do worse than the market as a whole,

0:50.2

and to charge investors a whole lot for the courtesy of the fund's poor performance.

0:56.2

So instead, in 1975, John Bogle founded the Vanguard Group and pioneered the index fund,

1:04.0

where retail investors are more or less guaranteed overall market returns or losses,

1:09.9

because index funds invest across entire markets and crucially at very low cost.

1:16.1

Or as Bogle put it, quote, don't look for the needle in the haystack just by the haystack.

1:24.9

This is on point. I'm Megna Chakrabardi. Almost 50 years later, Vanguard now manages more than

1:32.0

$7.7 trillion in assets. It is second only to one other company, BlackRock Incorporated,

1:39.8

which manages more than $8.5 trillion in assets. Then comes State Street and Fidelity to other

1:46.5

major mutual fund companies who have approximately $4 trillion under management each.

1:52.8

But taken together, our guest today says these four companies control 25% of all the stock

1:59.9

of every publicly traded company in the United States.

2:04.7

Then, there are the private equity firms. It's hard to tell who their investors are,

2:09.5

and they successfully avoid regulation, all while taking over companies and withdrawing them from

2:15.4

the public eye entirely. In this category of the Kings of Concentration, we have KKR,

2:22.0

Apollo, Blackstone, not to be confused with BlackRock, and Carlyle, which together have more than

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