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Real Vision: Finance & Investing

Are Bulls and Bears Both in for a Beating? w/ Darius Dale

Real Vision: Finance & Investing

Real Vision

Business, Business News, News, Investing

4.21K Ratings

🗓️ 17 May 2023

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Darius Dale, founder, and CEO of 42 Macro, joins Maggie Lake to discuss the implications of the looming debt ceiling, where the economy is headed next, and why he thinks both bulls and bears are about to be battered over the next few quarters. You can find more of Darius’ work here: https://42macro.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:33.2

Are the bulls and bears both screwed?

0:35.5

Hi everyone, welcome to the ReelVision deli briefing.

0:38.0

With me today is Darius Dale founder of 42 macro.

0:41.2

Hi, Tarius.

0:42.0

Hey, Maggie, it's a pleasure to be here.

0:43.6

How are you?

0:44.4

Great to see you and we're asking that question specifically for you because

0:48.2

you tweeted last Friday and it caught our eye and you are worried

0:52.1

that both the bulls and the bears may be at risk here.

0:55.0

Walk us through what you're thinking is.

0:57.2

Yeah, so it really starts with kind of where market positioning and market consensus are.

1:02.5

If you look at the bond market, particularly short term, you know,

1:05.6

forward rate spreads whether you look at the feds near term forward spread or you look at

1:09.1

other forward spreads whether it be the 12 month forward, you know, TBO minus the spot T bill yield.

1:14.0

They're pricing in a very significant amount of fed easing over the next 12 to 18 months.

1:20.6

And if you look at fed funds futures, that easing is likely to start at least what's currently

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