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It Could Happen Here

Arab Israeli Peace and New Visions for Gaza feat. Dana El Kurd

It Could Happen Here

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Society & Culture, Daily News, News, Politics

4.06.5K Ratings

🗓️ 8 December 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Dana El Kurd speaks with Matan Kaminer and Ben Schuman-Stoler, hosts of the new podcast series Bad Cousins. They discuss the Abraham Accords, the new plan for Gaza, and what the Abrahamic framing allows for and obfuscates. 

Sources:

Bad Cousins - https://badcousins.show/

GREAT Trust Plan - https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/f86dd56a-de7f-4943-af4a-84819111b727.pdf 

A Plan to Rebuild Gaza Lists Nearly 30 Companies. Many Say They’re Not Involved  - https://www.wired.com/story/a-plan-to-rebuild-gaza-lists-nearly-30-companies-many-say-theyre-not-involved/

Paradox of Peace - https://academic.oup.com/isagsq/article/3/3/ksad042/7280243 

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.

0:06.0

CallZone Media.

0:10.3

Hello everyone. This is Dana Al-Kurd for It Could Happen here.

0:14.5

Today's episode will be focused on Arab-Israeli normalization,

0:18.9

Arab-Israeli peace deals, and Arab-Israeli relations more generally.

0:23.1

The reason that this is an important topic to discuss is because a few weeks ago,

0:28.1

the Washington Post published this PowerPoint presentation originating in the Trump administration,

0:34.1

titled The Great Trust from a demolished Iranian proxy to a prosperous Abrahamic ally.

0:41.2

And this presentation is about Gaza, the U.S. and Israeli vision for what Gaza's quote-unquote

0:47.0

reconstruction will look like. And the word great itself is an acronym that stands for

0:53.5

Gaza reconstitution, economic acceleration,

0:56.8

and transformation.

0:58.5

Now, this presentation has so much in it that horrifies any normal human being.

1:05.1

But essentially, it outlines this vision for how Gaza is going to be reconstructed.

1:12.8

And throughout the entire document,

1:18.3

it's very clear that whatever remains of Gaza's population will not have any political rights.

1:24.5

There is some gesturing at some point about handing over some governance to, quote,

1:29.0

vetted Palestinians, but there's also a repeated discussion within this presentation, within this document, of how they want to incentivize a significant segment of

1:36.3

Gaza's population to leave Gaza altogether and not return. And they want to financially

1:41.9

incentivize them to do that. I think the entire presentation is worth looking at, I'll put it in the show notes,

1:48.1

because it really outlines what they think Gaza is going to look like

1:51.1

and what they plan for the Palestinians more generally.

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