Hello and

welcome to the Apple Insider Podcast.

This is a special episode and joining me today

is developer Paul Kefasas.

He is the founder and CEO of Rogue Amiba,

which is an incredible company that makes all kinds of Mac software and we'll talk about that

throughout the show, but Paul, thanks so much for joining me today.

Glad to be here. So the reason why I reached out obviously there's the big antitrust

congressional hearing that happened here in the United States and Tim Cook was one of the four CEOs on it and he made some

statements about the App Store and policies and things like that and I saw you or at least

rogue amoeba tweet in support of Brent Simmons's article which we covered on the

podcast and so I wanted to ask some specific questions and maybe we could start with

something that goes back to history because one of Tim Cook's statements was that when the App Store was created,

the prevailing distribution options available to software developers at the time did not work well.

That's a quote from the actual hearing, saying that brick and mortar stores charged high fees and all that.

Now, Brooke Amiba has existed since 2002 and you could tell us how long you've been a developer even

before that, but talk to me about that statement as far as, you know, there was only one way to do it and it wasn't good back in the day, meaning early 2000s in 1990s.

Right. So, yeah, this is something that sort of caught our attention, caught my attention, caught the

attention of good number of developers that I'm in contact with, who have been making

software on the Mac for many years. We, as you said, we've been around for

almost 18 years, just a couple months from now, it'll be 18 years. We, as you said, we've been around for almost 18 years, just a couple months from now,

it'll be 18 years, and I've been developing software for a few years before that, so over two decades.

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