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Apple (Mostly) Loses in Its Epic Games Appeal - DTNS 5164

Daily Tech News Show

Tom Merritt

Technology, News

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

OpenAI released GPT 5.2 and teased an Adult Mode arriving early 2026, and Scott Johnson tells us why the Game Awards is an early sign of a gaming slowdown.




Starring Jason Howell, Jenn Cutter, Tom Merritt and Scott Johnson.


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0:00.0

This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, December 12th, 2025. We tell you what you need to know,

0:06.4

give you the important context, and help each other understand. Today, Scott Johnson tells us why

0:12.0

the Game Awards is an early sign of a gaming slowdown. And we get yet another ruling in the

0:17.8

forever Epic versus Apple case. Yet another ruling. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Jen Cutter. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story.

0:28.3

Apple, okay. So yes, we're going to talk about Apple and Epic Games again. I feel like this is the story that

0:33.5

never goes away, but it's just the way it works sometimes in tech news. Apple mostly lost its contempt appeal in the forever, I like how you put it,

0:41.7

Forever Epic Games case.

0:43.3

That really is how it feels right now.

0:45.5

Ninth Circuit affirmed that Apple willfully violated the 2021 anti-steering injunction by using a 27%

0:53.6

external link commission and then also challenging

0:58.2

Apple's use of implementing like design choices and Ux choices that made external payments,

1:05.0

quote, as hard to use as possible, you know, scare prompt tactics, that sort of stuff.

1:10.5

The opinion notes that Apple's 27% structure, as possible, you know, scare prompt tactics, that sort of stuff.

1:17.2

The opinion notes that Apple's 27% structure, some are referring to this as junk fees,

1:22.7

effectively erased any benefit of steering users to outside payments.

1:28.0

And it agrees there was clear and convincing evidence of civil contempt. So the core injunction that Apple must allow links and steering to external payment methods remains in force.

1:37.1

Apple did not lose across the board.

1:40.1

And it's important to point this out.

1:41.7

They didn't lose entirely.

1:43.3

I think a lot of people and sites

1:45.4

writing about this, you know, were proclaiming this massive, you know, another victory for Epic. And it is a

1:51.2

big victory for Epic. But Apple gets something here too. The panel has held that the prior order went

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