Appeals court greenlights Trump's National Guard deployment.
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Isaac Saul
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🗓️ 23 October 2025
⏱️ 34 minutes
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Summary
On Monday, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 2–1 that President Donald Trump can deploy Oregon National Guard troops to Portland, Oregon, finding it was likely that the president had “lawfully exercised his statutory authority” in mobilizing the Guard. The decision lifted District Judge Karin Immergut’s temporary block on the Oregon soldiers’ deployment, and the Trump administration asked the judge to lift a second order barring all federalized National Guard troops from deploying to the city. Immergut gave the state and city of Portland 24 hours to respond to the request.
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| 0:27.8 | I'm your host, Isaac Saul, and on today's episode, we're going to be talking about the National Guard ruling in Portland. |
| 0:34.7 | Actually, Ari is going to be sharing his take today on that. I've got a staff |
| 0:39.4 | dissent to the position that Ari lays out. But a little more complication here in the legal |
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