This next clip begins with your comments on our podcast. Bill, let's check this out.

And that these secular scholars don't read books that are published by Zander Van and

Moody and Crossway and so forth. And that is why Kevin Christian Scholarship is so important.

Both Nicholas Waltersdorf and Robert Adams taught at Yale where Miller says he had never heard

of or interacted with Christian scholars.

I think that he just did a baton switch here. We started off with a polygist. Now it's

turning to just any Christian scholars. And Richard C. Miller admittedly, he confesses

himself. He says, hey, I am on the full secular humanist critical side. And I think that

faith-based research scholarship is just not going to get you the answers. Because if you're

a Christian who believes Jesus really did rise from the dead, that's part of something

you believe. You can't not believe it. You believe it. And he didn't rise from the dead.

And how can you be accurate? If he didn't rise, let's say the answer was he didn't rise

from the dead. But you believe he did. How can you come to the conclusion that he didn't

if you have to believe that in your mind? Like it's something that you aren't challenging.

You're not interested in actually finding out the truth on or not. And what makes the

most sense here? The scholars he's naming here are philosophers. It relevant to the field

that we're talking about here. But these are philosophers. And even Miller has said

to me, he thinks that Yale in many cases is very conservative. Because they're actually

raising ministers. A lot of Yale, Princeton, you know, Delce Allison, Jr. He's over at Yale.

They are raising ministers. They're not asking these tougher hard questions in many cases.

A lot of things to talk about their bill. Let's start with the bait and switch accusation.

Yeah, I don't know what he's talking about there. Kevin, my point was that although Christian

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