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This is the Intelligence Matters Podcast with former acting director of the CIA, Michael

Morel, sponsored by Raytheon.

You know, I spent about 25 years in government and one of the things I took away is this, the

world doesn't govern itself.

And over the past 70 plus years, the United States has played a lead role in helping to

govern the world.

If we're not doing it, if we're not playing a lead role, either someone else will, or

even worse, perhaps no one does, and then the forces of anarchy and chaos prevail.

What should our strategic approach to China be?

I still think the basics of what we were trying to do, work to cooperate with China where

we can, compete with it where we must, is still the right approach, but now we're stuck

in a different dynamic, fearing wildly between confrontation on the one hand and abdication

on the other hand.

We've seen Xi Jinping try to assert himself as a leader of the global community, who is

in favor of a free and open trading system, who supports globalization, who supports

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