Anthropic Cuts Off Windsurf, Deel Rewrites the Narrative and Flock Safety’s Surveillance Tech | E2134
This Week in Startups
Jason Calacanis
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🗓️ 4 June 2025
⏱️ 70 minutes
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Today’s show: Alex and Lon discuss Windsurf getting abruptly cut off from Anthropic just before a rumored $3B acquisition by OpenAI, sparking questions around platform risk and foundation-model politics; Deel defends itself by arguing the information it allegedly took was public or obvious, complicating its ongoing legal saga; and Flock Safety’s neighborhood-focused surveillance tech—combining LPR cameras and drones—positions itself as a privacy-conscious tool that gives elected officials control over community data governance.
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| 0:00.0 | The rumor, the reporting, is that Open AI is going to buy Windsor for around $3 billion. |
| 0:04.9 | A pretty big check. |
| 0:05.7 | We're kind of waiting for that news to drop, to be honest. |
| 0:07.6 | I'm kind of confused why that deal hasn't wrapped up. |
| 0:09.8 | But in the meantime, WinSurf, which has previously used, at least in part, AI models from |
| 0:15.8 | the Anthropic Claude family got cut off with less than one week notice. |
| 0:21.2 | Well, maybe if the deal doesn't go through Anthropic, would be like, ah, never mind. |
| 0:25.5 | Come back to Claude. |
| 0:26.9 | I think if you kick someone out of your house, the relationship's over. |
| 0:29.6 | Yeah, that's true. |
| 0:30.4 | It's tough to go back on that. |
| 0:32.1 | Yeah, we come back with like your basket of clothes, like, oh, I'm just going to move back in. No, you're, you know, once you sever certain relationships, I don't think they really come back. |
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