I get very angry when people call me a doomer.

When, you know, when someone's like, this guy's a doomer, he wants to slow things down.

You heard what I just said.

Like, you know, my father died because of, you know, cures that, you know, could have happened a few years later.

I understand the benefit of this technology.

I'm sure you've heard the criticism from people like Jensen who say,

well, Dario thinks he's the only one who can build this safely and therefore wants to control the entire industry.

I've never said, I've never said anything like that. That's an outrageous lie. That's the most outrageous lie I've ever heard.

Anthropic CEO Dario Amade joins us to talk about the path forward for artificial intelligence,

whether generative AI is a good business, and to fire back at those who call him a doomer.

And he's here with us in studio at Anthropic headquarters in San Francisco.

Dario, it's great to see you again. Welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me.

So let's recap the past couple months for you. You said AI could wipe out half of entry-level

white-collar jobs. You cut off windsurf's access to Anthropics top-tier models when you

learned that Open AI was going to acquire them. You asked the government for export controls

and annoyed Nvidia CEO Jensen Wong.

What's gotten into you?

You know, I think I think Anthropic,

myself and Anthropic are always focused on kind of

trying to do and say the things that we believe.

And I think as we've gotten more close to AI systems that are more powerful, I think I've

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