on this episode of Skeptico, a show about arguing.

And then you guys quiz each other.

Mr. Winger, is that really the best use of our time?

It seems like the value of having you here is...

I think my value as a teacher is to teach you how to learn.

I think you're telling us we should teach ourselves.

I don't think you're going to learn if I'd tell you how to think.

I think if you tell us what you think, then we'll learn that.

I thought you should break into groups, but you failed to learn that so your theory is invalid.

Even arguing with people you like. Use the term cranky. You said he was cranky. In my experience,

you can put it in cranky. Well, probably... You have a ready to... Yeah, you can put it in him cranky.

Yeah, but probably.

I'd say high probability of cranky.

Really? But you need to read it, and you need to...

I do. I do. I do. I do need to read it.

I wouldn't call somebody cranky if I'd not read their work.

That first step was from Jill McAil and community. And the second one was from today's guest, Anthony Peake, who I genuinely like and respect,

even though I think he stretches the metaphor a little bit too far.

He always brings a lot of good research to the table, and I certainly like that.

Stick around for the interview.

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