Anshel Pfeffer on Israel and the War in the Middle East

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

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4.6 • 907 Ratings

🗓️ 4 November 2023

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Yascha Mounk and Anshel Pfeffer discuss how the war is transforming Israel, Palestine and the Middle East. Anshel Pfeffer is a British-Israeli journalist. He is a senior correspondent and columnist for Haaretz and the Israel correspondent for The Economist. Pfeffer is the author of Bibi: The Turbulent Life and Times of Benjamin Netanyahu. In this week's conversation, Yascha Mounk and Anshel Pfeffer discuss Israel's strategy for defeating Hamas and whether it is likely to succeed; why the global left has failed to grasp the horrors of 10/7; what implications the war has for Jewish life in Europe and America; and why, after the war, Israel urgently needs to resolve the internal tensions that have marked the country since its founding. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by Jack Shields, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:29.4	That's the problem with the way Israel is being governed right now. You use the word strategic,
0:35.6	strategic and strategic again. There is no strategic thinking. Well, what Israel has had in the last
0:40.4	ten months since the return of Netanyahu is a prime minister who has only one strategy and that is political survival and that is only intensified now the last few weeks with the public anger towards him over what has happened.
0:54.0	He's not thinking strategically about anything but how to remain in power.
0:58.0	His party, Likud, is basically his own personal platform that most of the members have become more
1:05.3	and more right-wing, more extreme and then you have the rest of the coalition which are
1:08.5	far-right parties and ultra-religious parties who are focused on their own agendas and there is no possibility
1:15.4	in this government strategic thinking.
1:18.5	And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. My guest today is Anchal Pfeffer.
1:30.0	Anchal is a senior correspondent and columnist for Haarez, as well as the Israel correspondent for
1:39.8	the economist.
1:41.7	We talked about how Israeli society is processing the terrible Hamas attacks.
1:50.4	We tried to understand what the goals of the Israeli military are going to be in the coming weeks and months,
2:02.0	whether and how they are going to be able to ensure that Hamas no longer rules Gaza and secure a broader security infrastructure that actually keeps the country safe in the years after that.
2:19.0	We discussed the future of Israeli politics, but also the future of Israeli politics but also the future of diaspora Jews, how this
2:28.0	moment is going to change European Jews and whether perhaps it might change American Jews even more strongly
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