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The Take

Another Take: The Course of the Forever Wars - Amnesia

The Take

Al Jazeera

Daily News, News, News Commentary, Politics

4.7748 Ratings

🗓️ 8 November 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Every Saturday, we revisit a story from the archives. This originally aired on September 13, 2021. None of the dates, titles, or other references from that time have been changed.

Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison was once a front-page headline in the “war on terror”. Today, public knowledge of the torture that made it infamous is starting to fade – but 17 years later, one US lawsuit for its victims is still going on. It centres on private contractors: companies that became an integral part of the US military efforts post-9/11 attacks, which changed the way war is fought – and accountability is sought.

In this episode:

  • Rafael Shimunov (@rafaelshimunov), human rights activist
  • Katherine Gallagher (@katherga1), senior staff attorney at the Center for Constitutional Rights
  • Majid, Abu Ghraib plaintiffs’ legal team member in Iraq

Episode credits:

This episode was updated by Haleema Shah. The original production team was Alexandra Locke with Negin Owliaei, Priyanka Tilve, Dina Kesbeh, Amy Walters, Ney Alvarez, Ruby Zaman, and Malika Bilal. 

Our sound designer is Alex Roldan. Our engagement producers are Adam Abou-Gad and Vienna Maglio. Andrew Greiner is lead of audience engagement. Alexandra Locke is The Take’s executive producer, and Ney Alvarez is Al Jazeera’s head of audio. 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Al Jazeera Podcasts.

0:07.0

Hi, I'm Halima Shaw, a producer at the Take, and you're listening to another take, where we look back at episodes from our archives.

0:20.0

Today, we're digging into the so-called War on Terror. where we look back at episodes from our archives.

0:23.9

Today, we're digging into the so-called War on Terror.

0:30.6

Its architect, former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney, died on Monday from medical complications.

0:35.7

Cheney is often called the most powerful vice president in U.S. history.

0:42.2

And after 9-11, as part of the Bush administration, he pushed for expanding executive power and circumventing judicial review.

0:46.8

One of the greatest stains on the administration's legacy was the widespread use of torture

0:51.6

at Abu Ghraib Prison.

0:59.0

Cheney held, quote, a few sadistic prison guards responsible for the abuses there, but he still defended aggressive policies like enhanced interrogation and waterboarding.

1:06.0

This episode digs into the fight for accountability for what happened at Abu Ghraib, and it originally aired on September 13th, 2021.

1:15.6

All dates and references are from that time. After 20 years, the rituals of September 11th are deeply rooted.

1:47.4

And chief among them is one call. Never forget. The American people will never forget the cruelty that was done here. We will never

1:52.0

forget the nearly 3,000 beautiful lives taken from us so cruelly. Never forget the Americans

1:57.6

who died here that day. The refrain is the same. Never forget.

2:02.5

And every year, people remember the victims of that day.

2:07.7

But the people in power?

2:09.9

Well, most of the architects of our post-9-11 world still hold prestige.

2:15.2

Abining on the news of the day, endorsing political candidates, or, in the case of George W. Bush, painting.

2:22.9

It sounds as though you were ready to dismiss the idea of W. as an artist, but you changed your mind.

2:28.5

Well, when I first saw his paintings, I was sure I would hate them, but there was something kind of innocent, sincere,

2:36.1

earnest, almost childlike.

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