Welcome to Emergence Magazine's podcast.

I'm Emanuel Vaughn Lee, host of this show, an executive editor of Emergence Magazine,

located on the unseated ancestral lands of the Coast Miwok people in present-day Marin County.

Each week, we feature interviews, stories, poetry, and author-narrated essays, exploring the threads connecting ecology, culture, and spirituality.

Our experience of time could often feel like a conveyor belt, a predictable, linear progression that we have little control over, moving us forward hour by hour,

day after day, year after year.

We're so conditioned to abide by this system, we often forget that we don't have to operate by it.

So what would happen if we stepped off that conveyor belt? What would happen if you

remember that we had the capacity and agency to live by another kind of time? From the archive on

this week's episode is my conversation with author and artist Jenny O'Dell. We speak about her book,

Saving Time,

Discovering a Life Beyond the Clock,

and about the social and cultural beliefs

the underpin standardized, mechanized time.

Challenging these ideas,

Jenny imagines a transition towards a gardening of time

in which we tune into the rhythms of the earth.

And she invites us to embrace interruption, breaks in the forward march of time

that allow us to glimpse the inherent unpredictability and creativity of every moment.

What choices, what futures might become possible, she asks, if we stepped out of Kronos time and towards a Kairos time?

I want to start by talking about language and how language informs how we perceive and relate to time.

And in the book, you explore the social and material roots of the idea that time is money.

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