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Morning and glory, an evening, Grace, Americas, I promised all day.

Richard Goldberg joins us.

He is with the Senior director at the Foundation for the

Defense of Democracies. And he was in the Trump first term at the National Security Council

with the Iran portfolio. In the Trump's second term, he helped stand up the National Energy

Dominance Council, the Secretary of Bergam and Wright, you've heard here a lot. They went back to

the FDD to study Iran. And boy, what a timely time it is.

Richard, welcome to the U.S. show. Great to have you. Great to be here. Thank you so much.

So, Richard, since President Trump appeared on the program, you know, two weeks and two days ago, and said he's going to hit Iran harder than he's ever been hit before. They have ever been hit before if they keep killing people.

I've had on Mark Dowitz, your colleague.

I've had on Michael Duran from Hudson.

I've had on Ben Telablu, your colleague.

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