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The Rich Roll Podcast

Annaka Harris On Consciousness

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.812.9K Ratings

🗓️ 12 August 2019

⏱️ 94 minutes

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Summary

What is consciousness? How does it arise? And why does it exist? We take ‘experience' for granted. But the very existence of consciousness raises profound questions: Why would any collection of matter in the universe be conscious? How are we able to think about this? And why should we? Our guide for today's philosophic and scientific exploration of these mysteries is Annaka Harris. An editor and consultant for science writers specializing in neuroscience and physics, Annaka is the author of the children's book I Wonder, a collaborator on the Mindful Games Activity Cards, by Susan Kaiser Greenland, and a volunteer mindfulness teacher for the Inner Kids organization. Annaka's work has appeared in The New York Times and all of her guided meditations and lessons for children are available on the Waking Up app, the digital meditation platform created by her husband Sam Harris — the renown author, public intellectual, blogger, and podcast host. Annaka’s latest book — which recently hit the New York Times bestseller list and provides the focus for today’s conversation — is entitled, Conscious: A Brief Guide to the Fundamental Mystery of the Mind. A must-read for any and all curious about one of the Universe's great mysteries, it's a brief yet mind-bending read that challenges our assumptions about the nature, origin and purpose of consciousness. Equal parts nerdy and fun, this is a deeply profound conversation that tackles the very nature of consciousness itself — and what it means to be a living being having ‘an experience'. We discuss how Annaka became interested in this field and the path undertaken to writing this book. Parsing instinct from scientific fact, we deconstruct our assumptions about consciousness and grapple with its essential nature — what is consciousness exactly? And where does it physically reside? We discuss meditation and artificial intelligence. We dive into plant consciousness. We explore panpsychism (a theory I quite fancy). And we muse about the role of spirituality in scientific inquiry. All told, this tackles the current limits of science and human understanding and leaves us wondering, is it possible to truly understand everything? The visually inclined can watch our entire conversation on YouTube here: bit.ly/annakaharris460 (please subscribe!) An intellectual delight from start to finish, I thoroughly enjoyed talking to Annaka and I sincerely hope you enjoy the listen. Peace + Plants, Rich Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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0:00.0

So, challenging intuitions is something that I think is incredibly interesting and it's

0:05.8

a very important part of the scientific process, which I think most people know, but they don't

0:10.0

really think about or realize that every time we make a scientific breakthrough or understand

0:17.2

reality at a more fundamental level or reach a deeper truth about the nature of reality,

0:23.0

that always requires that we challenge our intuitions at the very least.

0:28.2

We have to completely let go of intuitions that are actually giving us false information

0:32.0

about reality.

0:33.5

Basically, everything that matters to us, any ethical question, it has to do with consciousness.

0:40.2

If we're talking about an unconscious system, we don't have any ethical obligations towards

0:45.4

them.

0:46.4

We're not worried about them.

0:47.4

We don't have to think about suffering.

0:48.4

All of suffering happens in consciousness.

0:51.9

And so, the difference is everything.

0:54.2

If we brought in some advanced AI that looked like another human being who just came in

0:58.9

was introduced to us, if the scientist who brought this robot in said, don't worry,

1:04.5

this robot's not conscious, it's everything that matters in terms of mattering.

1:09.0

I mean, if this being starts to suffer in any way, if we think they're having an experience,

1:14.1

we want to help it.

1:15.7

That's Anika Harris.

1:17.6

This week on The Retroll Podcast.

1:24.2

Hey, everybody, how you guys doing?

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