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This This conversation is with animal rights legend Ronnie Lee.

Ronnie founded the Animal Liberation Front, the ALF, in 1974.

The Animal Liberation Front is an international leaderless,

decentralized political and social resistance movement

that engages in and promotes nonviolent direct action in protest against incidents of animal cruelty.

Ronnie served three prison sentences in the 70s and 80s for actions that he took against places like animal testing

facilities and breeding facilities for testing. He has been vegan for 51 years and is

still out there every day fighting for animals. Ronnie, thank you so much for doing this today.

Well, I'm really pleased to be taking part.

It's great.

For people who don't know you or know who you are, can you just start with like where all this began, the 70s, and how all this happened?

I was really a pretty ordinary guy going to growing up, fairly ordinary child,

ordinary teenager, but things all changed for me really when I got to the age of 18 and my sister who's

18 months younger than me she started going out with a guy who was a vegetarian and

I was very curious about that.

I really hardly have heard the word vegetarian before,

let alone ever met anyone who was a vegetarian.

So I was curious as to why that was and he explained it was because he was against animals being killed for food because it was unnecessary. We don't need to kill any animals in order to survive.

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