Welcome back to Angel on Top, a podcast where we watch and discuss every episode of Angel

one by one, spoiler free, and in tandem with buffering the vampire slayer.

I'm your host Latoya Ferguson. My guest today is Connor Goldsmith, a senior literary

agent at Fuse Literary and the host of the X-Men podcast, Cerebro. This week we're watching

Angel season three episode two, that vision thing, which was written by Jeffrey Bell and directed

by Bill Norton. It aired on the WB on October 1st, 2001, and this is the one where Cordelia is

already devastatingly painful visions taken even more devastating and painful turn. It's also the

one where Angel meets Skip.

Hi Connor. Hi Latoya. Thank you so much for having me. It's so good to see your lovely face even

if it's via Zoom. Ah yes, thank you for joining me. I knew that if I'm going to do an Angel podcast,

I have to have you on. I am. I am the biggest Angel fan you know probably. Who isn't you?

Exactly. Exactly. You are like, I will do any episode you want. I said that. I was literally,

I gave you a list of like 12 episodes from this season that I would be happy to do and I was

like choose one and we'll make it work. So do you want to tell our beautiful Angel on Top

Listeners, your Angel origin story? Yeah, absolutely. Angel is probably my favorite show. I think that

like any show that is now 20 years old, it has in some ways aged less well or more efficiently

depending on the episode. But I think it has actually aged a lot better than Buffy controversial

opinion. And I think that it has a lot to say about you know the human condition that's still very

relevant today. I often when I'm talking about the work I do as a literary agent which you know,

sometimes I work with celebrities on fun books and sometimes I work with novelists on fiction.

But a lot of my work is with journalists and activists and cultural critics. And you know,

people ask do you think you're making a difference? And I always say well if nothing we do matters

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