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Anduril Founder Trae Stephens on Our Modern Defense System

the goop podcast

Gwyneth Paltrow

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement

4.37.1K Ratings

🗓️ 2 June 2026

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Gwyneth sits down with Trae Stephens, the co-founder of the AI defense company Anduril, for a wide ranging and honest conversation about how new technologies are shaping our defense system. They talk about the core mission of Anduril, America’s relationship with defense today, Silicon Valley’s evolving relationship to religion, and on how Trae reconciles his Christian faith with an industry built around weapons and warfare. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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When you are pioneering anything or introducing new ideas to the culture, you get criticized.

0:09.0

You do?

0:10.0

Yeah. Did you hear about that?

0:12.0

I didn't find the one. I found someone I respected and we made it the one.

0:17.0

In a sort of longing kind of view of love, people understand each other as if by magic.

0:22.4

Nothing in itself is addictive on one hand. And in the hand, everything could be addictive if

0:27.2

there's an emptiness in that person that needs to be filled. I now know that nobody changes

0:32.5

until they change their energy. And when you change your energy, you change your life.

0:38.1

I'm Gwyneth Peltro. This is the Goop Podcast, bringing together thought leaders, culture

0:44.4

changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists, doctors, healers and seekers. Here to start

0:51.6

conversations, because simply asking questions and listening has the power

0:56.1

to change the way we see the world. Here we go. Hello and welcome to the Goop podcast. I'm

1:03.4

Gwyneth Peltro. My guest today is someone you almost certainly wouldn't expect to find on this

1:09.5

show, and that's exactly why I invited him.

1:13.0

Trace Stevens is the co-founder of Anderl, one of Silicon Valley's most provocative AI defense companies,

1:20.2

and a partner at the Founders Fund.

1:22.8

He operates in a world that feels pretty far from the conversations we usually have here on the Goop

1:28.2

podcast. But this year, I'm really making a conscious effort to seek out people whose perspectives

1:34.2

genuinely challenge my own. I wanted to have Trey on because I really admire Trey for his

1:42.0

brilliance. He's known as one of the best investors on the planet. And also for his

1:48.9

values, he's a very faith-based man. And I learned so much from talking to him. I think I almost envy

1:55.7

people who have faith of that depth. Trey and I cover a range of topics today, including the core mission of

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