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this week in Startups today on the program. Andrew Wilkinson is with us. He is

the founder of metal lab, which is owned by Tiny. And he has used the

profits from metal lab to make tiny into a really interesting, I guess, holding

company of a bunch of other businesses that many of us know like dribble or

we work remotely. So welcome to the program. Andrew Wilkinson. Thanks Jason.

It's great to be here. Am I correct in understanding that what you've

built? Well, since you've been doing metal lab in 2006, you started with an

agency that helped build beautiful products. Famously, Uber Eats Google and

Slack work. I don't know what you did for Google, but I remember the Slack

work and Uber Eats work. And that agency did so well. You had profits that

let you start tiny, which I guess some people refer to as tiny capital, but

you buy businesses with the profits from your consulting businesses. Is that

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