Take everything you thought you knew about adoption and the fertility industry and just

throw it out the window.

There is no doubt in my mind that our guest in this subject will completely divide listeners

even the ones who identify as conservative and pro-life.

We all know people that have had challenges becoming parents and so they turn to alternative

options like adoption, surrogacy, and IVF.

But is the fertility industry really black and white with no gray area?

Are there pros and cons to some of these methods?

And the biggest question of all, does everyone have a right to be a parent?

Our guest is here to dive into the morality of IVF and embryo adoption, give her take

on whether it's healthy for a child to grow up with gay parents, has no, you know, issues

or ramifications at all, and even the ethics of surrogacy.

Some of you might have a light bulb aha moment during this episode.

You might find yourself changing your opinion on things you've never even thought twice

about.

Others might be vehemently against what our guest says in this episode and that's

okay too.

This will be a little brain stretch, a little stretch for our brains.

Our guest is the founder and director of them before us, an organization that fights for

children's rights.

She's also the author of them before us why we need a global children's rights movement.

Please welcome Katie Faust to The Spill Over.

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