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History Unplugged Podcast

An Interview with 95-Year-Old Tuskegee Airman Lt. Col. Harry Stewart

History Unplugged Podcast

History Unplugged

Society & Culture, History

4.23.7K Ratings

🗓️ 18 June 2019

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

“Colored people aren’t accepted as airline pilots.” The “negro type has not the proper reflexes to make a first-class fighter pilot.” These were the degrading sentiments that faced eighteen-year-old Lt. Col. Harry Stewart Jr. as he journeyed in a segregated rail car to Army basic training in Mississippi in 1943. But two years later, the twenty-year-old African American from New York proved doubters wrong when he was at the controls of a P-51, prowling for Luftwaffe aircraft at five thousand feet over the Austrian countryside.

Lt. Col. Harry Stewart Jr. is one of the last surviving Tuskegee Airmen of World War II. In this episode I talk with him about his early life, training, and combat missions, including the mission in which he downed three enemy fighters.

He also discusses the injustices he and his fellow Tuskegee Airmen faced during their wartime service and upon their return home. Unlike white pilots, Stewart and other Tuskegee flyers faced the extra danger that if they were shot down over enemy territory they could not hide in plain sight with the population or expect to live. Tragically, one of Stewart’s friends was shot down, captured, and lynched by a racist mob. Stewart and his fighter group defied racially-prejudice expectations and won the first postwar Air Force-wide gunnery competition for propeller-driven fighters. Stewart obtained honorary captain status from American and Delta Airlines after being denied piloting jobs with those airlines’ legacy carriers (TWA and Pan Am) 50 years ago because of his ethnicity.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the History Unplugged Podcast, the unscripted show that celebrates unsung heroes,

0:09.0

Mythbust's historical lies, and rediscoveres the forgotten stories that changed our world.

0:15.5

I'm your host, Scott Rank.

0:23.1

The Tuskegee Airmen were the first all-black military pilot group who fought in World

0:26.9

War II.

0:28.1

The pilots formed the 332nd Fighter Group and the 477th Bombarmate Group of the US Army

0:34.0

Air Forces.

0:35.0

They were active from 1941 to 1946, and there were 932 pilots who graduated from the

0:40.6

program.

0:42.0

Among these, 355 served in active duty during World War II as fighter pilots.

0:46.6

In this episode, I have the pleasure of speaking with one of those pilots, Lieutenant Colonel

0:50.8

Harry Stewart Jr., one of the last surviving Tuskegee Airmen of World War II.

0:56.0

Lieutenant Colonel Stewart's story as a pilot goes back to when he was a boy and was

0:59.8

in love with aviation.

1:00.8

It really kicks off when he journeyed in a segregated rail car to Army-based training

1:05.3

in Mississippi in 1943.

1:07.8

He left his mostly integrated home in New York, down to the south, where here are comments

1:11.9

like colored people aren't accepted as airline pilots, or the thought was that black

1:16.0

pilots didn't have the proper reflexes to make a first-class fighter pilot.

1:19.7

But two years later, Stewart was at the controls of a P-51 looking to shoot Luftwaffe aircraft

1:24.8

out of the sky, 5,000 feet over the Austrian countryside.

1:28.0

He took out German fighters over the course of 43 missions, and he and his group as credited

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