Hello, kids. Welcome. I first of all, today's episode, oh my gosh, I think you're gonna love it. I guarantee you there

will be things in this episode that you are like, what? I just couldn't stop laughing. It made me, it just

really tickled me. I do need to give you a content morning though. We do refer to some subjects that are not

going to be super appropriate for younger children, but I really hope you'll stick around because my

conversation with author Susan Wells is fascinating. Let's dive in. I'm Sharon Mcbath and here's where I

get's interesting. I'm really excited to be chatting with author Susan Wells today. Your book was on my

radar of like, I need to read that. Even before we ever connected, I was fascinated by this topic. First of all, tell us about how you

became interested in Charles Gito and the O'Night Occult. How did this even get on your radar? Well, I went back to

school to get a Master's in History when I was about 40, 41. And in one of my classes, I learned about the

O'Night community. And I was absolutely gobsmacked because this was taking place in Victoria and America. And it was more like what was

happening in the 1960s in the United States in terms of these experimental new communities and utopian societies that broke all of the social

rules. And I had in the back of my head that I would love to write something about the O'Night

community. And I thought if I could find a crime committed by somebody in the United community, I might have a book. The

problem was that the United community was incredibly well thought of by all their neighbors. Nobody committed any crimes that I could

unearth. And then finally, the New York Times put their archives online. And I thought, well, there's a small chance that if a crime was

committed in upstate New York, that the New York Times might report on it. So as a last gasp effort, I typed in O'Night

community crime. And whoa, I got an absolute avalanche of hits. And when I was able to focus on it, it was a presidential

assassination. So I thought, I've got a book. And I spent the next 12 years researching every single aspect of it.

12 years. 12 years. 12 years. My goodness. That is dedication. People in my community are always very interested in how writers research their

book. And 12 years, I'm just going to keep like exclaiming that over and over. What were you doing for 12 years? I mean, like those are some

deep dive suits in. Yes. Well, you know, when I got into the book, you know, I knew that there was a presidential assassination. And I knew that there was the

O'Night community. And literally, it was like opening up a cabinet of curiosities because there were so many sub stories and famous people who linked into this story. And I had to research every one of them because

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