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After Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973, a group of conservative lawyers embarked on what would become a decades-long mission to reverse the ruling.

One of those lawyers, James Bopp, explains how they succeeded and what comes next.

Guest: James Bopp, general counsel for the National Right to Life Committee.

An Anti-Abortion Campaigner on the Movement’s Historic Win

From the New York Times, I'm Michael Babaro. This is a daily.

When Roe vs. Wade was decided in 1973, it launched a group of conservative lawyers opposed

to abortion on a decade's long mission to reverse through ruling. Today, my co-host, Sabrina

Tevernese talks to one of those lawyers about how they succeeded and why for him getting

rid of Roe is only the halfway point in the battle for an abortion-free America.

Right after Roe was overturned, I started calling people in the anti-abortion movement. I

wanted to know how they were thinking about their victory and how they understood what

exactly had led them to it. And everybody kept pointing me to the sky named James Bob.

Hey, we're good. I'm glad we have a group chat on the conference call here.

So we do things in teams. I know this is quite seamless.

I reached him in his home outside of Indianapolis.

Well, I'll say hi to Liz, Jessica and Lisa. Hi.

Bob is in his 70s. He's a champion of a number of conservative causes, including fighting

I was the lawyer that brought citizens united that overturned two precedents of the court.

But the cause he took up first was fighting the right to abortion. He's been doing it

for almost as long as Roe has been around.

When I wasn't at Boy Scout camp or whatever, I would be going to Sunday church services

Bob grew up in Indiana as the oldest of five kids.

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0:00.0	From the New York Times, I'm Michael Babaro. This is a daily.
0:07.0	When Roe vs. Wade was decided in 1973, it launched a group of conservative lawyers opposed
0:18.2	to abortion on a decade's long mission to reverse through ruling. Today, my co-host, Sabrina
0:25.7	Tevernese talks to one of those lawyers about how they succeeded and why for him getting
0:33.7	rid of Roe is only the halfway point in the battle for an abortion-free America.
0:42.7	It's Thursday, July 7.
0:49.7	Right after Roe was overturned, I started calling people in the anti-abortion movement. I
0:57.3	wanted to know how they were thinking about their victory and how they understood what
1:01.7	exactly had led them to it. And everybody kept pointing me to the sky named James Bob.
1:07.0	Hi, Mr. Bob. How are you doing?
1:10.0	Hey, we're good. I'm glad we have a group chat on the conference call here.
1:17.2	So we do things in teams. I know this is quite seamless.
1:20.3	I reached him in his home outside of Indianapolis.
1:23.0	Well, I'll say hi to Liz, Jessica and Lisa. Hi.
1:28.8	Bob is in his 70s. He's a champion of a number of conservative causes, including fighting
1:33.4	campaign finance limits.
1:35.0	I was the lawyer that brought citizens united that overturned two precedents of the court.
1:41.3	But the cause he took up first was fighting the right to abortion. He's been doing it
1:46.8	for almost as long as Roe has been around.
1:50.1	When I wasn't at Boy Scout camp or whatever, I would be going to Sunday church services
1:55.5	at the Methodist church.
1:57.9	Bob grew up in Indiana as the oldest of five kids.
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