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An American Education | 1. Is Oklahoma Breaking Public Schools?

Radio Atlantic

The Atlantic

Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.41.9K Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

American public education is changing. And, in many ways, Oklahoma State Superintendent Ryan Walters is at the center of it, trying to push for Bibles in schools, new curriculum standards that include dozens of references to Christianity, and an ideology test for teachers coming from “places like California and New York.” One Oklahoma teacher finds herself at direct odds with Walters and the Department of Education. And a pair of Walters’s former students no longer recognize the teacher they once loved. This is the first episode of a two-part series from Radio Atlantic. --- Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/listener. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I remember my first day in an American public school. I had just moved here from Israel. I was nervous about what was in my lunchbox, pita with things stuffed inside it. But when I sat down at the lunch table, the whole place

0:48.6

was like an international food hall. Dahl, dumplings, jerk chicken, you get the idea. This was PS117 in Queens, one of the most

0:59.3

diverse places on the planet. The term of art back then to describe our situation, families of every

1:05.8

race, configuration, and religion sitting down to eat together, was melting pot, which makes it sound like a smooth, warm bisque.

1:15.7

It was not. We were mean to each other, made fun of each other's holidays, regularly sniffed each other's lunches, and said, ew, gross.

1:27.2

Fights broke out nearly every day on the playground.

1:31.0

But every morning, we all showed up and said the Pledge of Allegiance together.

1:38.2

I didn't think about it at all this way when I was a kid.

1:41.9

But on top of the English and math and social studies,

1:45.8

we were absorbing another lesson that would serve us throughout our life.

1:51.3

It was a lesson on messy democracy.

1:55.0

How to be around people who ate and thought and believed different things than we did

2:00.2

and then our parents did,

2:02.3

hate them on some days, and still wake up the next morning and go to school.

2:09.1

To be honest, I wish I had thought about all this sooner.

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