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Welcome to AMR Trains, a podcast about training and racing and endurance sports. I'm Dimitie McDowell, co-founder of another MotherRunner.

If you're like me, you might spend too much time wondering what you'd do if running were no longer an option for you.

As many of you know, thanks to chronic lower back slash hip slash hamstring issues, that situation came to fruition for me in 2017 and 2018.

It was a long season of reckoning. That said, I'm happy to report I am still moving forward on two wheels and in the pool with joy and purpose.

I am just a study of one, though, and today we're going to chat with two women who have had to climb some pretty high physical obstacles.

Two hip surgeries and a diagnosis of rheumatoid arthritis. Not only do these two do so with grace and perspective, but both have continued to run.

I'm hoping that these two resilient women and the conversations I have with them might help you quiet those what if voices in your head or help you reframe an injury or illness you're currently dealing with.

First up, we're going to talk to Kathy Page, who is a retired attorney and mother of two who currently lives in Houston, but she's lived in Chicago, Boston, and New York City, home of all the major marathons.

Kathy is a former collegiate cheerleader and coxen, and who now runs walks and plays tennis with a metal hip that we're going to get into, how complex and diverse the choices are now.

So first of all, Kathy, you have to tell us about your early athletic days that when I saw you as a cheerleader and a coxen, I immediately was like, oh my gosh, you must be like, what are you pretty petite?

Yes, yes, I am, I am the episode of you. I'm not, I'm very high challenged.

So if I do my hair really well, I can get to five two.

Oh, nice, nice. So do you have like a gymnastics background or what? Yeah, yeah.

And that's really what ruined probably all of the, all my joints. Yeah.

So I dislocated or broken so many bones and gymnastics that, you know, and then these started, the surgery started in high school. So.

Oh, wow. Okay. And did you tell us how long you kept up your gymnastics career?

So I did competitive gymnastics and competitive tennis really through middle school and realized I was never going to make the Olympic gymnastine.

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