Welcome to Amicus Slate's podcast about the Supreme Court.

I'm Dahlia Lithwick, Slate's Supreme Court correspondent, and as you probably already heard,

this was a great big, fat week at the Supreme Court.

Folks started lining up five days before arguments to get a seat in the chamber for

Obergefell v. Hodges' the gay marriage case heard this year.

And by Tuesday, the day of oral arguments, the plaza outside the court was teeming with balloons and banners,

evangelicals and hussets carrying signs explaining their positions and protestations on gay marriage.

There was a bevy of protesters, one of whom actually made his way right into oral argument

and had to be dragged bodily out of the chamber, screaming at the top of his lungs, by what seemed

like five or six marshals. Today on Amicus, we're going to bring you some of the highlights of the

ensuing two and a half hours of historic argument, and we're going to bring it right into your

earbuds. Here with me to discuss this historic appeal is Doug Hallward Dremeyer of Ropes and

Gray. He was one of the three lawyers who argued on behalf of the plaintiffs, the same-sex

plaintiffs, who want their marriages recognized in their states.

Doug has argued 15 cases at the High Court, well, 16 now. And he's filed more than 150 briefs there. He

served as assistant to the Solicitor General in the U.S. Justice Department. We're delighted to

have him here with us. Doug, welcome to the show. Thank you, Dahlia. So glad to be here with you.

I think it would be incredibly helpful for listeners if you could unpack the two different questions

because I think a lot of folks don't

realize that there were even two questions briefed and argued at the court. So you argued one,

Mary Bonato argued the other. Could you help our listeners understand what the two distinct issues

were which one you argued and which one Mary argued? Sure. I think most people are familiar with the first question, which is the one that rightly, I believe,

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